UNOFFICIAL CONTEST RESULTS

[Sgt Superman]

Some of the top ten guys said they were just typing in http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=??????? and kept going through them until they found good designs to get low scores. They said it didn;t matter if it was published if you put in any number it would show the design. After hearing that I think the contest is somewhat rigged. People didn;t have to be creative they just had to go through all the designs until they found one to change slighty. After hearing this I tested it you can view any design published or unpublished. I think some deeper digging is needed to determine winners.

That is why it is an UN-offical list. Weasel still has alot to do before the actual winners are anounced.

[Melatonin]

Enjoy these...

http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6820018 -10
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6826738 2
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6804084 13
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6822784 -6 <---Was pretty proud of this one...
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6845158 16

Total Score: 15

[Stickywulf]

But in the spirit of "showing others," I do wonder what the odds of stickywulf's entries are:

Please don't accuse me of cheating, it's not nice. All of my designs are my own work. I didn't type in random design IDs. You can accuse me of being a lifeless bum with too much time on my hands, but I am not a cheat by any stretch of the word. The administrators have access to my designs and site activity, they will know the truth.

[jofjltn4]

Some of the top ten guys said they were just typing in http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=??????? and kept going through them until they found good designs to get low scores. They said it didn;t matter if it was published if you put in any number it would show the design. After hearing that I think the contest is somewhat rigged. People didn;t have to be creative they just had to go through all the designs until they found one to change slighty. After hearing this I tested it you can view any design published or unpublished. I think some deeper digging is needed to determine winners.

Which top ten guys said they were doing that and where?

J

[jofjltn4]

I've got to say that the designs are actually quite similar, score-wise, that is.

Displacement [-10 in 184 ticks]
Stuck [-6 in 60 ticks]
Be a Champ [-4 in 216 ticks]
Gate Keeper [-16 in 97 ticks]
Canyon [+7 in 295 ticks]

FINAL SCORE: -29 with 852 ticks

Anyone want to compare Displacement with this one?

http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6820018

The answer to your question is...

#6875606
WaterRod#1 (-25.3753562504, 121.373574999), (2.78360335086, 4), -174.516770522
WaterRod#2 (-269.35, -8.575), (258.864081131, 4), 90.5976163594, [0]

#6820018
WaterRod#1 (-25.3753562504, 121.373574999), (2.78360335086, 4), -174.516770522
WaterRod#2 (-269.35, -8.575), (258.864081131, 4), 90.5976163594, [0]

Identical.

But whose design is the second one? Maybe it's just aakay.net's earlier copy of the same design.

[Xyle]

Like I said before, I think that if a specific approach to solve a level is worked on long enough, over time it will get to it's fastest, most efficient point. There is no way that aiming for that point is a unique thing, probably hundreds of us tried for the same thing. The closer any two designs get to this theoretical "point" the more similar they become. However, that being said I think that two designs are very very likely to appear almost exactly the same but a perfect match I find hard to swallow. We are human and the odds are stacked very strongly against that.

For example I believe that these two designs are legit even though they are really close - they just both got really close that that "point":
http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=6775729
http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=6784383

I don't have anything to back that up, it's just a hunch.

I wonder if people within the top ten know each other?
Some designs would be very easy to work out, given a suitable hint/screen shot.
And tweaking, when you know it will work, would be a lot easier.

eg. Here's my "Be A Champ" after 5 min tweaking and a clue from the top 10...
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6897598

[Melatonin]

I've got to say that the designs are actually quite similar, score-wise, that is.

Displacement [-10 in 184 ticks]
Stuck [-6 in 60 ticks]
Be a Champ [-4 in 216 ticks]
Gate Keeper [-16 in 97 ticks]
Canyon [+7 in 295 ticks]

FINAL SCORE: -29 with 852 ticks

Anyone want to compare Displacement with this one?

http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6820018

The answer to your question is...

#6875606
WaterRod#1 (-25.3753562504, 121.373574999), (2.78360335086, 4), -174.516770522
WaterRod#2 (-269.35, -8.575), (258.864081131, 4), 90.5976163594, [0]

#6820018
WaterRod#1 (-25.3753562504, 121.373574999), (2.78360335086, 4), -174.516770522
WaterRod#2 (-269.35, -8.575), (258.864081131, 4), 90.5976163594, [0]

Identical.

But whose design is the second one? Maybe it's just aakay.net's earlier copy of the same design.

The second one (earlier design number) is mine...
Edit: I wouldn't have even watched it, I had seen plenty -10 scores on that one, but the "184 ticks" sure caught my eye...

[jofjltn4]

Hey, stop rubbing it in about the -10 Displacement that so many others figured out. I tweaked a two-stick blue design for a ridiculously long time and didn't manage a single solve before the deadline.



J

[compscure]

Sticky,
Shoulda minded my own beeswax. It's patently obvious that aakay.net cheated. Not so with you.

Given I have no dog in this fight, the "lifeless bum" charge should probably be aimed at me.

Sorry

[Stickywulf]

Sticky,
Shoulda minded my own beeswax. It's patently obvious that aakay.net cheated. Not so with you.

Given I have no dog in this fight, the "lifeless bum" charge should probably be aimed at me.

Sorry

It's ok, no harm done. Thanks.

EDIT: For the sake of integrity, if anyone is interested, here is a list of virtually all my saves to show the evolution of each of the levels. Hopefully this might show that my solutions were designed and not stolen.



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DISPLACEMENT
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http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6582968
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6595011
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6614124
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6629670
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6629932 - 352 Ticks (3 wood,2water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6671901 - 310 Ticks (3 wood)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6671920 - 286 Ticks (3 wood)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6778606 - 190 Ticks (3 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6790749 - 199 Ticks (3 water) ?MaybeChamp???
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6808231 - 213 Ticks (2 water) WORSER
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6808540 - 220 Ticks (2 water) CHAMP - WORSER.
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6808583 - 203 Ticks (2 water) CHAMP
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6809138 - 200 Ticks (2 water) CHAMP
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6809241 - 198 Ticks (2 water) CHAMP


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Stuck
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http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6584613
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6595574
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6619363
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6644753 - 65 Ticks (2 wood, 4 UPballs)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6672395 - 66 Ticks (4 wood, 2 UPballs)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6673149 - 72 Ticks (5 wood, 1 UPball)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6673189 - 61 Ticks (5 wood, 1 UPball)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6689441 - 85 Ticks (6 wood, 1 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6689597 - 80 Ticks (4 wood, 1 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6689791 - 66 Ticks (4 wood, 1 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6807886 - 65 Ticks (4 wood)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6815202 - 65 Ticks (5 wood) - ?MaybeCHAMP??
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6815331 - 64 Ticks (5 wood) - CHAMP


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Be a Champ
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http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6587106
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6597015
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6622261 - 217 Ticks (1 wood, 1 water, 1 UPball, 1 Pball)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6677333 - 216 Ticks (Check score is better, 3 water, 2 wood, 3 UPball)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6677541 - 216 Ticks (Check score is better, 2 water, 3 wood, 3 UPball)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6678455 - 216 Ticks (1 wood, 1 water, 2UPball) UN-clean
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6678894 - 216 Ticks (1 wood, 2 water, 2UPball) clean
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6769568 - 216 Ticks (8 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6769668 - 216 Ticks (8 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6769958 - 216 Ticks (8 water) CLEAN
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6770197 - 217 Ticks (6 water) CLEAN
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6771704 - 217 Ticks (4 water) UN-CLEAN
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6775729 - 216 Ticks (4 water) CLEAN





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Gate Keeper
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http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6592882
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6597183
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6646942
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6646963 - 211 Ticks (3 wood, 2 UPballs)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6695159 - 142 Ticks (11 wood, 4 water, 2 UPball)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6696227 - 115 Ticks (11wood, 2 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6696561 - 102 Ticks (4 wood, 3 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6745167 - 92 Ticks (4 wood, 3 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6789970 - 87 Ticks (4 wood, 2 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6790398 - 85 Ticks (3 wood, 2 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6791362 - 92 Ticks (3 wood, 1 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6810294 - 81 Ticks (3 wood, 1 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6810351 - 74 Ticks (3 wood, 1 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6811433 - 99 Ticks (3 wood)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6811603 - 86 Ticks (3 wood)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6811644 - 75 Ticks



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Canyon
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http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6591605
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6597245
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6597546 - 310 Ticks (2 wood, 4 Pballs)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6647289 - 364 Ticks (2 wood, 3 Pballs)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6681896 - 325 Ticks (2 wood, 3 Pballs)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6721339 - 391 Ticks (8 wood, 1 water, 1 Pball)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6721505 - 681 Ticks (10 wood, 2 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6722849 - 493 Ticks (10 wood, 2 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6791711 - 475 Ticks (8 wood, 5 water) WORSER
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6791778 - 427 Ticks (7 wood, 6 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6792003 - 430 Ticks (7 wood, 5 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6792503 - 603 Ticks (6 wood, 5 water) WORSER
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6811844 - 450 Ticks (7 wood, 5 water) WORSER
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6812113 - 788 Ticks (6 wood, 4 water) WORSER
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6816174 - 476 Ticks (4 wood, 6 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6828758 - 457 Ticks (5 wood, 5 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6850636 - 371 Ticks (7 wood, 5 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6850787 - 366 Ticks (7 wood, 5 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6851758 - 405 Ticks (8 wood, 2 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6852084 - 376 Ticks (8 wood, 2 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6853000 - 352 Ticks (8 wood, 2 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6853098 - 325 Ticks (8 wood, 2 water)

[GaminKWB]

Like I said before, I think that if a specific approach to solve a level is worked on long enough, over time it will get to it's fastest, most efficient point. There is no way that aiming for that point is a unique thing, probably hundreds of us tried for the same thing. The closer any two designs get to this theoretical "point" the more similar they become. However, that being said I think that two designs are very very likely to appear almost exactly the same but a perfect match I find hard to swallow. We are human and the odds are stacked very strongly against that.

For example I believe that these two designs are legit even though they are really close - they just both got really close that that "point":
http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=6775729
http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=6784383

I don't have anything to back that up, it's just a hunch.

I wonder if people within the top ten know each other?
Some designs would be very easy to work out, given a suitable hint/screen shot.
And tweaking, when you know it will work, would be a lot easier.

eg. Here's my "Be A Champ" after 5 min tweaking and a clue from the top 10...
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6897598

A lot of the regulars - myself included - hang out in the chat room on IRC. I am newer to the chat room, but have been in there since a little before the actual competition started. I will say that I have not sent ANY screenshots of my designs to anyone. I have shown failure shots of my Be A Champ goal area, but that consisted of something like this: http://www.mazrim.com/images/fc-champ-01.jpg

There was some occasional discussion about some of the scores that were floating around - mainly on the forums - and general discussion. But most of it was open chat. The closed chat that I had typically involved 'Ah man, I need to shave off X ticks before I match this score' or 'I can't seem to get my 6-piece hands-off solution working for Be A Champ'. After the other person submitted their score I sent stuff along the lines of 'OMG I just got an 8-piece rodless working on Gate Keeper'. My -16 Gate Keeper was started and finished the day the competition ended.

[sean_gabriel]

Heh, check it out - I managed to get champion on Be a Champ: http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=6898161

Not that it would have helped my score any.

[slaphandsfriend]

Wow I thought my score was good. -29? Wow.
I stopped after only a few days, I was all tweaked out.

Total: -4

Displacement: -6
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6513488

Stuck: -5
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6513503

Be A Champ: 0
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6513519

Gatekeeper: -4
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6513541

Canyon: 11
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6513551

[WolfHealr]

It looks like I've posted the highest score one of the highest scores so far. Higher is better, right?

I think I've posted the fastest canyon, though - mine clocks in at 291 ticks, and I was able to tweak it down to 284 after I submitted. Can anyone beat that? The closest I've seen posted so far is 296.

Canyon 283 ticks: http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6515152

Balancing that was a pain... and then rendered useless as I progressed through green and then brown...
But I still like its simplicity

Still want to know if anyone beat this:

Stuck: Brown Champ, -6, 56 ticks: http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6862648
Stuck: Powered 56 ticks: http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6514503

[Bloobeard]

I was happy with my score getting below +20. I knew that I wasn't within cooee of winning.

Just for interest's sake:

My quickest brown champ stuck, 61t
http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=6647997

My pathetic powered Canyon, 332t. My brown was too slow, but I haven't seen any other designs bridging the bottom the same way
http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=6720125

My 6 water rod Be a Champ, i just needed to keep going with the idea to match the top ten 'gods'
http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=6647771

A brown champ Be a Champ
http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=6727972

I have really enjoyed seeing the winning designs, even more so some of the creative 'failures' and of course that constipated solve for Stuck!

[WolfHealr]

I have had a brilliant idea!
How about runner up T-shirts for anyone who managed a score of say...
Let's pick a number now...
-9 or less.

I assume you have T-shirts?

"Wanna see my contraption in action?"

Mwaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha... *snort*

"Wanna see my contraption in action?"

That's AWESOME! Although I love the 'runner-up' idea... I would buy that shirt outright (especially if it had the FC logo on there) *cough* Weasel - merchandise idea! *cough

[Bloobeard]

On another note, folders would be great for managing designs.

[LTLFTC]

Is there any other way to tell which design is earlier other than the design number. I had literally hundreds of designs, the last thing I did was to save my 5 favorite as the first five designs then deleted the rest so I didn't accidentally submit the wrong design. My numbers would then be 5 minutes before I submitted where as the original design from some were over a week old. So if anyone copied one ( fat lot of good it would have done em) there number would precede mine.

[girlfriday13]

Hello all,

I am really enjoying all the non winning contraptions so much more than the pixel perfect versions, although the ingenuity is incredible of these versions too.

I have to say that I agree with Pelvicpeanut (pg5) with regards to the 'contraption' side of things as I too imagined a 'contraption' to be joined up sticks rather than objects falling from above, and that a competition for 'speed to victory' mainly, is a grand idea indeed.

PS I cannot tell from user names what percentage of you are male or female and whether this is worldwide or US\UK only?? Wondered if there are any stats out there?

[meteoro]

its world wide