UNOFFICIAL CONTEST RESULTS

News updates, status reports, and version information from the FC Team

Re: CONTEST RESULTS

Postby Sgt Superman on Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:03 pm

Grinkol wrote:Some of the top ten guys said they were just typing in http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=??????? and kept going through them until they found good designs to get low scores. They said it didn;t matter if it was published if you put in any number it would show the design. After hearing that I think the contest is somewhat rigged. People didn;t have to be creative they just had to go through all the designs until they found one to change slighty. After hearing this I tested it you can view any design published or unpublished. I think some deeper digging is needed to determine winners.


That is why it is an UN-offical list. Weasel still has alot to do before the actual winners are anounced.
User avatar
Sgt Superman
 
Posts: 516
Joined: Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:27 am
Location: Lacey, WA

Re: CONTEST RESULTS

Postby Melatonin on Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:07 pm

Last edited by Melatonin on Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:31 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Melatonin
 
Posts: 3
Joined: Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:38 pm

Re: CONTEST RESULTS

Postby Stickywulf on Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:08 pm

compscure wrote:But in the spirit of "showing others," I do wonder what the odds of stickywulf's entries are:

Please don't accuse me of cheating, it's not nice. All of my designs are my own work. I didn't type in random design IDs. You can accuse me of being a lifeless bum with too much time on my hands, but I am not a cheat by any stretch of the word. The administrators have access to my designs and site activity, they will know the truth.
User avatar
Stickywulf
 
Posts: 16
Joined: Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:42 am
Location: Perth, Australia

Re: CONTEST RESULTS

Postby jofjltn4 on Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:09 pm

Grinkol wrote:Some of the top ten guys said they were just typing in http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=??????? and kept going through them until they found good designs to get low scores. They said it didn;t matter if it was published if you put in any number it would show the design. After hearing that I think the contest is somewhat rigged. People didn;t have to be creative they just had to go through all the designs until they found one to change slighty. After hearing this I tested it you can view any design published or unpublished. I think some deeper digging is needed to determine winners.


Which top ten guys said they were doing that and where?

J
jofjltn4
 
Posts: 951
Joined: Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:51 pm
Location: I'm too stupid to figure any of this out...

Re: CONTEST RESULTS

Postby jofjltn4 on Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:18 pm

Melatonin wrote:
aakay.net wrote:I've got to say that the designs are actually quite similar, score-wise, that is.

Displacement [-10 in 184 ticks]
Stuck [-6 in 60 ticks]
Be a Champ [-4 in 216 ticks]
Gate Keeper [-16 in 97 ticks]
Canyon [+7 in 295 ticks]

FINAL SCORE: -29 with 852 ticks


Anyone want to compare Displacement with this one?

http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6820018


The answer to your question is...

#6875606
WaterRod#1 (-25.3753562504, 121.373574999), (2.78360335086, 4), -174.516770522
WaterRod#2 (-269.35, -8.575), (258.864081131, 4), 90.5976163594, [0]

#6820018
WaterRod#1 (-25.3753562504, 121.373574999), (2.78360335086, 4), -174.516770522
WaterRod#2 (-269.35, -8.575), (258.864081131, 4), 90.5976163594, [0]

Identical.

But whose design is the second one? Maybe it's just aakay.net's earlier copy of the same design.
jofjltn4
 
Posts: 951
Joined: Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:51 pm
Location: I'm too stupid to figure any of this out...

Re: CONTEST RESULTS

Postby Xyle on Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:20 pm

pillageTHENburn wrote:Like I said before, I think that if a specific approach to solve a level is worked on long enough, over time it will get to it's fastest, most efficient point. There is no way that aiming for that point is a unique thing, probably hundreds of us tried for the same thing. The closer any two designs get to this theoretical "point" the more similar they become. However, that being said I think that two designs are very very likely to appear almost exactly the same but a perfect match I find hard to swallow. We are human and the odds are stacked very strongly against that.

For example I believe that these two designs are legit even though they are really close - they just both got really close that that "point":
http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=6775729
http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=6784383

I don't have anything to back that up, it's just a hunch.


I wonder if people within the top ten know each other?
Some designs would be very easy to work out, given a suitable hint/screen shot.
And tweaking, when you know it will work, would be a lot easier.

eg. Here's my "Be A Champ" after 5 min tweaking and a clue from the top 10... :)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6897598
Xyle
 
Posts: 43
Joined: Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:52 am

Re: CONTEST RESULTS

Postby Melatonin on Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:30 pm

jofjltn4 wrote:
Melatonin wrote:
aakay.net wrote:I've got to say that the designs are actually quite similar, score-wise, that is.

Displacement [-10 in 184 ticks]
Stuck [-6 in 60 ticks]
Be a Champ [-4 in 216 ticks]
Gate Keeper [-16 in 97 ticks]
Canyon [+7 in 295 ticks]

FINAL SCORE: -29 with 852 ticks


Anyone want to compare Displacement with this one?

http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6820018


The answer to your question is...

#6875606
WaterRod#1 (-25.3753562504, 121.373574999), (2.78360335086, 4), -174.516770522
WaterRod#2 (-269.35, -8.575), (258.864081131, 4), 90.5976163594, [0]

#6820018
WaterRod#1 (-25.3753562504, 121.373574999), (2.78360335086, 4), -174.516770522
WaterRod#2 (-269.35, -8.575), (258.864081131, 4), 90.5976163594, [0]

Identical.

But whose design is the second one? Maybe it's just aakay.net's earlier copy of the same design.




The second one (earlier design number) is mine...
Edit: I wouldn't have even watched it, I had seen plenty -10 scores on that one, but the "184 ticks" sure caught my eye...
Melatonin
 
Posts: 3
Joined: Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:38 pm

Re: CONTEST RESULTS

Postby jofjltn4 on Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:33 pm

Hey, stop rubbing it in about the -10 Displacement that so many others figured out. I tweaked a two-stick blue design for a ridiculously long time and didn't manage a single solve before the deadline.

:doh:

J
jofjltn4
 
Posts: 951
Joined: Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:51 pm
Location: I'm too stupid to figure any of this out...

Re: CONTEST RESULTS

Postby compscure on Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:47 pm

Sticky,
Shoulda minded my own beeswax. It's patently obvious that aakay.net cheated. Not so with you.

Given I have no dog in this fight, the "lifeless bum" charge should probably be aimed at me.

Sorry
User avatar
compscure
 
Posts: 2755
Joined: Wed Dec 17, 2008 9:24 pm

Re: CONTEST RESULTS

Postby Stickywulf on Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:54 pm

compscure wrote:Sticky,
Shoulda minded my own beeswax. It's patently obvious that aakay.net cheated. Not so with you.

Given I have no dog in this fight, the "lifeless bum" charge should probably be aimed at me.

Sorry


It's ok, no harm done. Thanks.

EDIT: For the sake of integrity, if anyone is interested, here is a list of virtually all my saves to show the evolution of each of the levels. Hopefully this might show that my solutions were designed and not stolen.



--------------------------
DISPLACEMENT
--------------------------
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6582968
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6595011
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6614124
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6629670
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6629932 - 352 Ticks (3 wood,2water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6671901 - 310 Ticks (3 wood)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6671920 - 286 Ticks (3 wood)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6778606 - 190 Ticks (3 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6790749 - 199 Ticks (3 water) ?MaybeChamp???
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6808231 - 213 Ticks (2 water) WORSER
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6808540 - 220 Ticks (2 water) CHAMP - WORSER.
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6808583 - 203 Ticks (2 water) CHAMP
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6809138 - 200 Ticks (2 water) CHAMP
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6809241 - 198 Ticks (2 water) CHAMP


-------------------------
Stuck
-------------------------
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6584613
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6595574
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6619363
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6644753 - 65 Ticks (2 wood, 4 UPballs)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6672395 - 66 Ticks (4 wood, 2 UPballs)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6673149 - 72 Ticks (5 wood, 1 UPball)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6673189 - 61 Ticks (5 wood, 1 UPball)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6689441 - 85 Ticks (6 wood, 1 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6689597 - 80 Ticks (4 wood, 1 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6689791 - 66 Ticks (4 wood, 1 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6807886 - 65 Ticks (4 wood)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6815202 - 65 Ticks (5 wood) - ?MaybeCHAMP??
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6815331 - 64 Ticks (5 wood) - CHAMP


-------------------------
Be a Champ
-------------------------
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6587106
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6597015
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6622261 - 217 Ticks (1 wood, 1 water, 1 UPball, 1 Pball)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6677333 - 216 Ticks (Check score is better, 3 water, 2 wood, 3 UPball)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6677541 - 216 Ticks (Check score is better, 2 water, 3 wood, 3 UPball)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6678455 - 216 Ticks (1 wood, 1 water, 2UPball) UN-clean
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6678894 - 216 Ticks (1 wood, 2 water, 2UPball) clean
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6769568 - 216 Ticks (8 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6769668 - 216 Ticks (8 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6769958 - 216 Ticks (8 water) CLEAN
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6770197 - 217 Ticks (6 water) CLEAN
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6771704 - 217 Ticks (4 water) UN-CLEAN
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6775729 - 216 Ticks (4 water) CLEAN





-------------------------
Gate Keeper
-------------------------
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6592882
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6597183
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6646942
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6646963 - 211 Ticks (3 wood, 2 UPballs)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6695159 - 142 Ticks (11 wood, 4 water, 2 UPball)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6696227 - 115 Ticks (11wood, 2 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6696561 - 102 Ticks (4 wood, 3 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6745167 - 92 Ticks (4 wood, 3 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6789970 - 87 Ticks (4 wood, 2 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6790398 - 85 Ticks (3 wood, 2 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6791362 - 92 Ticks (3 wood, 1 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6810294 - 81 Ticks (3 wood, 1 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6810351 - 74 Ticks (3 wood, 1 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6811433 - 99 Ticks (3 wood)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6811603 - 86 Ticks (3 wood)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6811644 - 75 Ticks



--------------------------
Canyon
--------------------------
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6591605
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6597245
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6597546 - 310 Ticks (2 wood, 4 Pballs)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6647289 - 364 Ticks (2 wood, 3 Pballs)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6681896 - 325 Ticks (2 wood, 3 Pballs)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6721339 - 391 Ticks (8 wood, 1 water, 1 Pball)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6721505 - 681 Ticks (10 wood, 2 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6722849 - 493 Ticks (10 wood, 2 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6791711 - 475 Ticks (8 wood, 5 water) WORSER
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6791778 - 427 Ticks (7 wood, 6 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6792003 - 430 Ticks (7 wood, 5 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6792503 - 603 Ticks (6 wood, 5 water) WORSER
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6811844 - 450 Ticks (7 wood, 5 water) WORSER
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6812113 - 788 Ticks (6 wood, 4 water) WORSER
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6816174 - 476 Ticks (4 wood, 6 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6828758 - 457 Ticks (5 wood, 5 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6850636 - 371 Ticks (7 wood, 5 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6850787 - 366 Ticks (7 wood, 5 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6851758 - 405 Ticks (8 wood, 2 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6852084 - 376 Ticks (8 wood, 2 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6853000 - 352 Ticks (8 wood, 2 water)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6853098 - 325 Ticks (8 wood, 2 water)
Last edited by Stickywulf on Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:39 pm, edited 2 times in total.
User avatar
Stickywulf
 
Posts: 16
Joined: Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:42 am
Location: Perth, Australia

Re: CONTEST RESULTS

Postby GaminKWB on Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:11 pm

Xyle wrote:
pillageTHENburn wrote:Like I said before, I think that if a specific approach to solve a level is worked on long enough, over time it will get to it's fastest, most efficient point. There is no way that aiming for that point is a unique thing, probably hundreds of us tried for the same thing. The closer any two designs get to this theoretical "point" the more similar they become. However, that being said I think that two designs are very very likely to appear almost exactly the same but a perfect match I find hard to swallow. We are human and the odds are stacked very strongly against that.

For example I believe that these two designs are legit even though they are really close - they just both got really close that that "point":
http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=6775729
http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=6784383

I don't have anything to back that up, it's just a hunch.


I wonder if people within the top ten know each other?
Some designs would be very easy to work out, given a suitable hint/screen shot.
And tweaking, when you know it will work, would be a lot easier.

eg. Here's my "Be A Champ" after 5 min tweaking and a clue from the top 10... :)
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6897598


A lot of the regulars - myself included - hang out in the chat room on IRC. I am newer to the chat room, but have been in there since a little before the actual competition started. I will say that I have not sent ANY screenshots of my designs to anyone. I have shown failure shots of my Be A Champ goal area, but that consisted of something like this: http://www.mazrim.com/images/fc-champ-01.jpg

There was some occasional discussion about some of the scores that were floating around - mainly on the forums - and general discussion. But most of it was open chat. The closed chat that I had typically involved 'Ah man, I need to shave off X ticks before I match this score' or 'I can't seem to get my 6-piece hands-off solution working for Be A Champ'. After the other person submitted their score I sent stuff along the lines of 'OMG I just got an 8-piece rodless working on Gate Keeper'. My -16 Gate Keeper was started and finished the day the competition ended.
GaminKWB
 
Posts: 615
Joined: Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:03 pm
Location: Riverside, Ca

Re: CONTEST RESULTS

Postby sean_gabriel on Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:25 pm

Heh, check it out - I managed to get champion on Be a Champ: http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=6898161

Not that it would have helped my score any.
sean_gabriel
 
Posts: 7
Joined: Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:30 am

Re: CONTEST RESULTS

Postby slaphandsfriend on Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:40 pm

Wow I thought my score was good. -29? Wow.
I stopped after only a few days, I was all tweaked out.

Total: -4

Displacement: -6 :handsoff: :green: :brown: :champ: :clean:
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6513488

Stuck: -5 :handsoff: :green: :brown: :champ:
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6513503

Be A Champ: 0 :water: :green: :brown: :clean:
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6513519

Gatekeeper: -4 :handsoff: :green: :brown: :champ:
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6513541

Canyon: 11 :handsoff: :green: :brown:
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6513551
slaphandsfriend
 
Posts: 4
Joined: Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:59 pm

Re: CONTEST RESULTS

Postby WolfHealr on Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:23 am

sean_gabriel wrote:It looks like I've posted the highest score one of the highest scores so far. Higher is better, right? ;)

I think I've posted the fastest canyon, though - mine clocks in at 291 ticks, and I was able to tweak it down to 284 after I submitted. Can anyone beat that? :) The closest I've seen posted so far is 296.


Canyon 283 ticks: http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6515152

Balancing that was a pain... and then rendered useless as I progressed through green and then brown... :mad:
But I still like its simplicity :grin:

Still want to know if anyone beat this:

Stuck: Brown Champ, -6, 56 ticks: http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6862648
Stuck: Powered 56 ticks: http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=6514503
User avatar
WolfHealr
 
Posts: 75
Joined: Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:11 pm
Location: Moving!

Re: CONTEST RESULTS

Postby Bloobeard on Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:29 am

I was happy with my score getting below +20. I knew that I wasn't within cooee of winning.

Just for interest's sake:

My quickest brown champ stuck, 61t
http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=6647997

My pathetic powered Canyon, 332t. My brown was too slow, but I haven't seen any other designs bridging the bottom the same way
http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=6720125

My 6 water rod Be a Champ, i just needed to keep going with the idea to match the top ten 'gods'
http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=6647771

A brown champ Be a Champ
http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=6727972

I have really enjoyed seeing the winning designs, even more so some of the creative 'failures' and of course that constipated solve for Stuck!
Bloobeard
 
Posts: 28
Joined: Fri Dec 26, 2008 6:56 am

Re: CONTEST RESULTS

Postby WolfHealr on Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:32 am

Xyle wrote:I have had a brilliant idea!
How about runner up T-shirts for anyone who managed a score of say...
Let's pick a number now...
-9 or less.

I assume you have T-shirts?

"Wanna see my contraption in action?"
:ccwheel:
:woodrod: :woodrod: :woodrod: :waterrod: :waterrod:
:cwheel:



Mwaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha... *snort*

"Wanna see my contraption in action?"

That's AWESOME! Although I love the 'runner-up' idea... I would buy that shirt outright (especially if it had the FC logo on there) *cough* Weasel - merchandise idea! *cough
User avatar
WolfHealr
 
Posts: 75
Joined: Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:11 pm
Location: Moving!

Re: CONTEST RESULTS

Postby Bloobeard on Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:33 am

On another note, folders would be great for managing designs.
Bloobeard
 
Posts: 28
Joined: Fri Dec 26, 2008 6:56 am

Re: CONTEST RESULTS

Postby LTLFTC on Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:13 am

Is there any other way to tell which design is earlier other than the design number. I had literally hundreds of designs, the last thing I did was to save my 5 favorite as the first five designs then deleted the rest so I didn't accidentally submit the wrong design. My numbers would then be 5 minutes before I submitted where as the original design from some were over a week old. So if anyone copied one ( fat lot of good it would have done em) there number would precede mine.
LTLFTC
 
Posts: 18
Joined: Thu Nov 27, 2008 10:09 pm

Re: CONTEST RESULTS

Postby girlfriday13 on Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:25 am

Hello all,

I am really enjoying all the non winning contraptions so much more than the pixel perfect versions, although the ingenuity is incredible of these versions too.

I have to say that I agree with Pelvicpeanut (pg5) with regards to the 'contraption' side of things as I too imagined a 'contraption' to be joined up sticks rather than objects falling from above, and that a competition for 'speed to victory' mainly, is a grand idea indeed.

PS I cannot tell from user names what percentage of you are male or female and whether this is worldwide or US\UK only?? Wondered if there are any stats out there?
girlfriday13
 
Posts: 1
Joined: Sat Mar 14, 2009 7:22 am

Re: CONTEST RESULTS

Postby meteoro on Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:35 am

its world wide
User avatar
meteoro
 
Posts: 1157
Joined: Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:36 am
Location: Not the same as darkealge anymore

PreviousNext

Return to The Dev Dish



Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users