Let's make a Soccer Victor

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Re: Let's make a Soccer Victor

Postby ironmano on Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:40 am

seniorxj wrote:Well i didnt think anyone would take it SO personal!! Im jus havin fun and theres really NO attitude or arrogants behind it at all!!!!! I dont know how to explain it any other way that its just havin fun and not what u think it is. I say if ur takin it like that then ur WAY to serious about this and need to relax!!!!!!!!! So why dont we ALL just sit back with a coke and a smile and keep playing.

SO,,,,,,,,,, WHATS THE DAM OBJECT HERE "AGAIN" ?????????

Did i make the team?????????????


It didn't seem like most of my last post was absorbed, but I for one am not bothered/offended by your "i'm the champ" speeches. It makes it kinda fun to try and beat your designs compared to other more passive people. Though this thread is not about beating the last great design, its about beating all other designs. For example if the same shovel design could beat "Heavy Duty" and "The Sniper" and still take on heavy weights like its designed to I would be mildly impressed. So pick your favorite design and see how many of our 'enemy' designs it will beat and tweak it for the rest. Then you'll get some honest feed back from this thread as to how close you are to Soccer Victor Champ or w/e.
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Re: Let's make a Soccer Victor

Postby seniorxj on Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:48 pm

Ok so hows about this,, post up the contraptions that u want me to beat using the same design. Deal??
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Re: Let's make a Soccer Victor

Postby dorg on Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:57 am

I got a Contraption that has beaten the 4 or 5 listed.

http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1078697 Sniper Win

http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1078655 Radar Win

http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1078639 Beefy V Win

http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1078531 Basket Wedge Win

http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1078523 Junior Win

I dunno what to call it, but show me your stuff and I'll see if it can win, or if you want to do it yourself,
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1078780 is my contraption alone.
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Re: Let's make a Soccer Victor

Postby mrman226 on Sat Aug 30, 2008 4:34 am

dorg wrote:I got a Contraption that has beaten the 4 or 5 listed.

http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1078697 Sniper Win

http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1078655 Radar Win

http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1078639 Beefy V Win

http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1078531 Basket Wedge Win

http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1078523 Junior Win

I dunno what to call it, but show me your stuff and I'll see if it can win, or if you want to do it yourself,
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1078780 is my contraption alone.


That would be true, but you used more than 4 wheels :doh:
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Re: Let's make a Soccer Victor

Postby mrman226 on Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:34 am

sorry for double posting :blush: but, i have a contraption that puts together elements from Junior, Bulldozer,The Box of Doom, and Guardsman. And, if pushed down the hole, it can get out, or push the ball back up.http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1087316
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Re: Let's make a Soccer Victor

Postby seniorxj on Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:44 pm

dorg wrote:I got a Contraption that has beaten the 4 or 5 listed.

http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1078697 Sniper Win

http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1078655 Radar Win

http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1078639 Beefy V Win

http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1078531 Basket Wedge Win

http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1078523 Junior Win

I dunno what to call it, but show me your stuff and I'll see if it can win, or if you want to do it yourself,
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1078780 is my contraption alone.


Yeah bro,, sorry but u need to make another contraption!!!! Im not even gonna attempt to beat it untill its only got 4 wheels total!!!!
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Re: Let's make a Soccer Victor

Postby alexdss on Sat Aug 30, 2008 1:40 pm

Here's my Catcher3000

in action!
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1098173

Well, excuse me if I'm a noob, but is there a way to copy inventions from one battle to another?
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Re: Let's make a Soccer Victor

Postby mikn31 on Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:07 pm

I feel like the point of this thread was lost on a lot of people.
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Re: Let's make a Soccer Victor

Postby alexdss on Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:04 pm

seniorxj wrote:
dorg wrote:I got a Contraption that has beaten the 4 or 5 listed.

http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1078697 Sniper Win

http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1078655 Radar Win

http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1078639 Beefy V Win

http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1078531 Basket Wedge Win

http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1078523 Junior Win

I dunno what to call it, but show me your stuff and I'll see if it can win, or if you want to do it yourself,
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1078780 is my contraption alone.




Yeah bro,, sorry but u need to make another contraption!!!! Im not even gonna attempt to beat it untill its only got 4 wheels total!!!!






BOOYA! OWNED!

http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1106270
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Re: Let's make a Soccer Victor

Postby seniorxj on Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:42 pm

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Re: Let's make a Soccer Victor

Postby ironmano on Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:33 am

seniorxj wrote:http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1117046

Booya!!!

http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1281872 You should invent some way for shovel to block air.


EDIT: Latest version of Heavy Duty. http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=865627 It actually clears the playing field landing in the goal.
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Re: Let's make a Soccer Victor

Postby El Doo on Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:18 pm

ironmano wrote:
EDIT: Latest version of Heavy Duty. http://fantasticcontraption.com/?designId=865627 It actually clears the playing field landing in the goal.


http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1289885

Ironmano, I hope you don't mind, but this is a tweak I did to Heavy Duty.

The retrieval is much faster this way.
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Re: Let's make a Soccer Victor

Postby ironmano on Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:28 pm

El Doo I really like that tweak. I've been looking for a way to beat tanks to the ball and that is a huge speed increase. I re-tweaked the thrower for power now it hits the back wall on the fly. This machine gets tougher to beat every iteration.

Meet Heavy Duty v2
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1290275
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Re: Let's make a Soccer Victor

Postby El Doo on Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:29 pm

New Yao Ming with extra gaurding action!

http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1290290

BTW, seniorxj, I couldn't find the post where the Shovel beat Yao Ming. Could you post it again?
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Re: Let's make a Soccer Victor

Postby ironmano on Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:17 pm

El Doo wrote:New Yao Ming with extra gaurding action!

http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1290290

BTW, seniorxj, I couldn't find the post where the Shovel beat Yao Ming. Could you post it again?


Came across an interesting thing while building a quick 'WTF' version of the shovel to see how Yao Ming faired against it.

http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1292107

Notice the front bottom wedge protector stick get tossed up by sticking on the ball at the very beginning

EDIT: for those of you wondering what exactly a 'WTF Shovel' is http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1292408
I was messing around with anti air ideas for the shovel.
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Re: Let's make a Soccer Victor

Postby El Doo on Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:16 pm

ironmano wrote:
Came across an interesting thing while building a quick 'WTF' version of the shovel to see how Yao Ming faired against it.

http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1292107

Notice the front bottom wedge protector stick get tossed up by sticking on the ball at the very beginning

EDIT: for those of you wondering what exactly a 'WTF Shovel' is http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1292408
I was messing around with anti air ideas for the shovel.


Nice catch. If I shorten the wedge protector, it prevents this for several minutes. Thanks!
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Re: Let's make a Soccer Victor

Postby gushen on Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:01 am

ironmano wrote:I can nearly guarantee with a unified design and no goal blocking allowed making an unbeatable design shouldn't be possible. Making one that can take down 99% of defenders while stopping 99% of attackers and be declared the ultimate champ sounds like a great challenge though. It's all about multiple uses and utility against multiple opponents IMO.


Correct. For every design there is an opposite, or a near opposite that can cancel it out. It's an illusion to think that there is a design that can beat all the others, because such thing does not exist in practical terms, only in theory. Heavy Duty 2 , for example, is an example of a design that seems unbeatable, but this is the maximum that we can ever get: designs that "seem" to be unbeatable. We'll never have the real thing, only approximations.

But it could be possible to come up with a good answer if someone coded a program that would get several designs and cross them into soccer matches and instantly determine who wins the most. It's not that difficult since all that the program has to do is copy paste the objects at the correct positions and simulate the contraptions internally. It would be nice to make a tournament as well, with playoffs and everything else.
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Re: Let's make a Soccer Victor

Postby notthat on Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:16 am

If the game designer can implement a copy function, then these challenges (which are very popular) could go a long way.
You could have tournaments, with each player submitting his contraption, then after everyone submit the organizer face them off against each other.
You could have a left / right position versions made, or a contraption inversing function could do it if the designer creates one ;]
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Re: Let's make a Soccer Victor

Postby gushen on Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:50 am

notthat wrote:If the game designer can implement a copy function, then these challenges (which are very popular) could go a long way.
You could have tournaments, with each player submitting his contraption, then after everyone submit the organizer face them off against each other.
You could have a left / right position versions made, or a contraption inversing function could do it if the designer creates one ;]


Good idea. The inverse (mirror) function is not very hard to do. I made one myself for a small program that I wrote one day. You drag a selection square over the graphic and select "mirror". Only whole parts are mirrored. Nothing happens if you select only a region. Coincidently, it was a drawing tool with line (rods) and circles (wheels) , but it could make ellipses as well.
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Re: Let's make a Soccer Victor

Postby ironmano on Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:31 am

I for one would love to be able to pull my bots straight into combat with a paste feature. Also nice would be 'peice counters', timers, and a mirror function. That could make for some interesting tournament style challenges for sure.
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