Arena Challenge #1

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Re: Arena Challenge #1

Postby Antivanity on Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:51 am

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Re: Arena Challenge #1

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Re: Arena Challenge #1

Postby ironmano on Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:15 am

Antivanity wrote:More beastly than the beast..
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=821659


That design doesn't get the ball in the goal when i run it. Simple fix im sure, but i'm just curious if it is winning for other people?
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Re: Arena Challenge #1

Postby mrman226 on Sun Aug 24, 2008 12:20 pm

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Re: Arena Challenge #1

Postby ironmano on Sun Aug 24, 2008 12:39 pm

Antivanity wrote:More beastly than the beast..
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=821659


current champ. Oops to late, as you can imagine, was to late. Going to have to beat the correct one :doh:
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Re: Arena Challenge #1

Postby SuperD on Sun Aug 24, 2008 12:42 pm

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Re: Arena Challenge #1

Postby Masterjts on Sun Aug 24, 2008 12:43 pm

ironmano wrote:
Antivanity wrote:More beastly than the beast..
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=821659


That design doesn't get the ball in the goal when i run it. Simple fix im sure, but i'm just curious if it is winning for other people?


It does not go in the goal for me either. Still it is a minor flaw so its no bigy IMHO.
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Re: Arena Challenge #1

Postby SuperD on Sun Aug 24, 2008 12:44 pm

ironmano wrote:
Antivanity wrote:More beastly than the beast..
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=821659


current champ. Oops to late, as you can imagine, was to late. Going to have to beat the correct one :doh:


that one didnt work when i tried it. i think i fixed it though?

http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=827577
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Re: Arena Challenge #1

Postby macklin on Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:54 am

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Re: Arena Challenge #1

Postby macklin on Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:01 am

http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=855380

same win with goal assurance modification...... as in, it must actually score the goal...
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Re: Arena Challenge #1

Postby ironmano on Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:08 pm

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Re: Arena Challenge #1

Postby Mimsy on Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:26 pm

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Re: Arena Challenge #1

Postby notthat on Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:45 pm

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Re: Arena Challenge #1

Postby notthat on Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:36 pm

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Re: Arena Challenge #1

Postby Mimsy on Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:25 pm

Nice design, best I could do so far was cause a draw http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=928039
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Re: Arena Challenge #1

Postby nyetworker on Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:18 am

I'm new to the Arena challenges; is it legit to use the same basic design with minor tweaks to overcome the opponent? Mirror Mirror replicates Darkages Jenny, with minor adjustments to get its own interceptor stick into place a little higher than Jenny's.

http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=942191
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Re: Arena Challenge #1

Postby notthat on Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:04 am

Welcome to Arena challenge #1!

I don't mind you've copied my design, it's a pretty solid design I feel. Although hopefully someone will come up with a better design for a reacher than what I've used.

My biggest beef with your mirror design is that it moves the arm really close to the wall, and that it has weak anti shove protection. It can easily be beaten by a simple pusher: http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=943034

*Watches how everyone rush in to beat the wall pusher... :roll:*

I don't want anyone to beat the wall pusher. I believe air combat is where it's at. But in order to be a good contender for arena #1 champ your design has to be immune to wall shove tactics.
You can read my notes on anti wall pushers here: http://fantasticcontraption.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=81&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=100#p5999

Once your design is wall shove immune, it has to brace itself for air warfare! So far we've had a number of air warfare tactics used in this thread, you can go back and have a look (though most of the thread is wall pushers. The air stuff first appears on page 6 I believe, and is scarce).

The basic methods we've seen are:

1) Beat the other guy to the ball (like your design does)
2) Use of force to knock back the opponents arm away from the ball
3) Distrupt the enemy's mechanism by means of tossing ball/stuff at it (I don't care much for this type because it's a one trick pony and often can not even win vs thin air, or be very easy to beat by anything, but it can beat a single contraption if you care about that)


Seeing these tactics, if you can build a contraption that's better against these things and beat my contraption then I consider it advancement. You can modify my idea for that or make your own, but don't just beat my contraption. Make your contraption as hard to beat as you can.
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Re: Arena Challenge #1

Postby deajam on Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:15 am

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Re: Arena Challenge #1

Postby notthat on Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:26 am

deajam wrote:You mean like this??

http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=944105


While I like the design it's very vulnerable to wall interruptions. If you can make it more resistant it can be fearsome, but at the moment it barely wins on it's own and can be beaten by triangles.


If you made this purely as an opponent, then yeah, that's a good example of the stuff a champ has to worry about.
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Re: Arena Challenge #1

Postby mikn31 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:54 pm

notthat wrote:
deajam wrote:You mean like this??

http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=944105


While I like the design it's very vulnerable to wall interruptions. If you can make it more resistant it can be fearsome, but at the moment it barely wins on it's own and can be beaten by triangles.


If you made this purely as an opponent, then yeah, that's a good example of the stuff a champ has to worry about.


still vuln to simple pushers
http://FantasticContraption.com/?designId=1012475
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